Explore the challenges and benefits of building a lunar colony. 2. We did not evolve to manage the geochemistry of other planetary bodies. Well, while the arxiv paper is more clear about the potential toxicity, it does NOT state that moon dust is toxic because it can cut your skin or lungs. When moon dust is disturbed, small particles float about, land, and glue themselves to everything.Regolith does not brush off easily, and breathing it can cause pulmonary fibrosis, the lunar equivalent of black lung. It was something every single person who cared saw anyway, because they also looked on Wikipedia. Not to mention that what you copied and pasted doesn’t even support a position that opposes mine. of large numbers of free radicals and excess electron sites on the surface of dust grains. For reference: Am prettay sure this subject has been covered before at UT? But as they skirted its rim, searching for the best path down, they informed Houston that the crater was far too steep. I wonder. Mars is a fascinating planet, the most like Earth of all the planets in the solar system, and may help us to understand much about the origins of life on Earth. The good news is they can put a magnet filter in the ventilation system to snag any big bits in the air/airlock. Observation: I find my wife in bed with the man, 2. The first in a series of six articles announcing the supposed discovery of life on the moon appears in the New York Sun newspaper. Or it does, just not enough? Living On Mars Might Have Unique Benefits - And Risks - For Humans. Mostly though, the new suit technology means the suits are mounted external to the habitats and ingress is direct through a suit lock on the back. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001177/. Long-term human exposure to the lunar environment has never been studied in depth, and it’s quite possible that — in addition to the many inherent dangers of living and working in space — the Moon itself may be toxic to humans. To celebrate the 45th anniversary of the moon landing, Buddy Loans has put together an infographic exploring the actual costs on living … There are many examples. If it’s true that moon dust interferes with oxygen absorption, then lunar dust is toxic. “The dust was so abrasive that it actually wore through three layers of Kevlar-like material on Jack [Schmitt’s] boot.”, – Professor Larry Taylor, Director of the Planetary Geosciences Institute, University of Tennessee (2008). The martian perchlorates that are an excellent nutrient source for bacteria at environmental temperatures is also carcinogenic for animals at room temperatures. You need to learn that a small thing like “is it a substance or not” is not the germane portion of arguments like this. Then there is the moon’s wrinkled surface — a topography that might be more threatening than rugged terrain on Earth. Its a job … So when is the next trip to the Moon. It even smelled like gunpowder inside the lander. You’ll end up broke and crying in the street. Living on the moon could be far more dangerous than thought. toxic — individual dust grains have fractally complex sharp surfaces The one fact is still totally unimportant, considering the observations, theories, predictions and falsifying aspects we’ve listed using a simple application of the scientific method. It also changes cell cycles in tissues. Sloppy writing on my part. I’ve read a lot of SF books about people living on the Moon, no one ever seems to have considered toxic dust as a possibility. It’s much closer and has a generous selection of minerals. Living in the ship after arrival isn't just a SpaceX idea, though. ensure a safe environment for future explorers on the Moon”, I didn’t realize we’d reached the point that strapping people inside an upholstered bean can on top of a 3 million pound thrust rocket and sending them to live and work in a near vacuum was considered “safe”. The very notion is stupid. My comparison with a tabloid is rather unfair then, since they tend to hide the truth in last paragraph! How about a reference from a medical textbook, published in 2008: Toxic ?…… Does anyone know, why the Lunar mission was called “APOLLO MISSION”……. 1. In the case of lung tissue this can induce an auto-immune disorder that destroys tissue, which is emphysema. NASA certainly tries to achieve high levels of safety and there’s nothing wrong with that. The Moon's gravity is low. Lunar regolith is physically and chemically different from sand, soil and dust on Earth. And that makes it toxic — so much so that Harrison Schmitt complained of “lunar dust hay fever” after his journey on Apollo 17. Wow, you assume a lot about where I’m coming from based on a two sentence reply. Also to recapture the water, you’d have to pressurize the mudporch, which would make it an expensive piece of equipment. And Dr. Scheuring added that such a habitat would need a strong airlock where astronauts could clean off the dust before entering the main living area. This is perhaps the biggest challenge. But it wouldn’t avoid the dust problem completely, would it? Only substances can have the quality of toxicity. I am happy with this. “lunar dust particles are small enough to penetrate deep within lung tissues, and may be made even more dangerous by their long-term exposure to proton and UV radiation.”. It … Just what that lunar habitat will look like remains a tough question, in part because radiation can penetrate most materials now used in space construction. The Moon might be the most realistic planet(oid) we can conquer. Water has two problems – it’s too viscous to get into the tiny grooves where dust could be found, and those filters would probably have to be replaced regularly. From the Moon we can send missions into deep space and ferry colonists to Mars. Back then I mentioned that the cure might be to include an ultra thin wire webbing layer next to the outer layer(s) of the spacesuit. Surely there would be some dust on the backplate that could still sneak its way it. These are verified summaries provided by the mathematics in the model, and borne out by observed data that was obtained by the mathematical model and subsequent experimentation. They are therefore unimportant. No organisms have been found on the Moon, but the water molecules found on the lunar surface today may be remnants of the events mentioned by the University researchers. | Sign up for the weekly Science Times email.]. Once inside the lungs the super-fine, sharp-edged lunar dust could cause a slew of health issues, affecting the respiratory and cardiovascular system and causing anything from airway inflammation to increased risks of various cancers. 2. One can concoct very cogent and brilliant theories based entirely on mathematics which are consistent and viable, but have absolutely no basis in our physical universe once they are tested by observations, IE, confirming the facts. First mining on the moon probably won't involve strip mining and hauling all of the material away. But, have you ever asked yourself: what would it be like to live on the Moon? 3c) Now we can also predict future observations or discoveries that flows from our Theory. Topographic maps, however, revealed an easy, 21-degree slope. Comprehension is not a strong point of yours. The Moon is in a tidal lock with Earth, meaning as it orbits around Earth, the same side of the Moon is always facing the planet. Not certain if these regions exist or not, but a potential target might be found within select craters, rilles or lava tubes. Asbestos directly interferes with an organism that inhales it, or absorbes it through its skin. The Moon's gravity is low. On the moon the pressure would actually squeeze our body like a trashed can. “The Moon is Toxic”…”… Those cosmic rays have the power to charge through both strands of DNA, snapping them in two and causing cancer. Lol. The simplest system would be a simple vacuum cleaner consisting of nothing more than a hose with a valve connected to the near perfect vacuum outside the habitat. People on Earth are protected from cosmic rays thanks to Earth’s magnetic field, but an unprotected, Mars-bound astronaut would receive 0.3 sieverts of radiation on a one-way trip—that’s hardly close to the lethal dose of 8 sieverts or even the radiation sickness–causing dose of 1 sievert, but researchers think that amount (equivalent to 24 comp… Obviously though, if we want to make long term habitats on these bodies we need to work this problem more. Laws. Because there is no air on the moon, dust never erodes. That means the act of simply walking around on the moon might be perilous. Tardigrades, which live on every continent on Earth, are also (maybe) living on the moon, following the crash of a lunar lander carrying thousands of the microscopic water bears. One of the first men to orbit the Moon has told BBC Radio 5 Live that it's "stupid" to plan human missions to Mars. So to summarize: moon dust is abrasive, so don’t get it in your eyes, rub it on your skin, or inhale it. Facts are the very core of the scientific method via repeatable results, not an irrelevancy as you suggest. I did not miss the section you quoted. I actually stumbled on an interesting technology in this context. We can't be so sure that, the moon will provides us our demands. They talk at some length about how and In 1968, NASA launched Apollo 8. The sharp shadows had fooled the astronauts. Mechanical damage induces a cellular response, which ends up triggering a cancer. (according to the original article) that could actually make it more Facts are unremarkable. “Facts are unimportant in science, because they have no intrinsic value.” And the award for the most ridiculous statement of this thread goes to… Don’t worry though, we know what meant. On November 2, 2017, scientists reported that significant changes in the position and structure of the brain have been found in astronauts who have taken trips in space , based on MRI studies . 1. That should reduce contamination from outside. We expect facts to exist. Repeatable observations. As the article indicates there has been physical erosion to reduce sharp points and concoidal fracture edges. Moondust, Radiation, and Low Gravity: The Health Risks of Living on the Moon; Lunar Pioneers Will Use Lasers to Phone Home; Rovers Will Unroll a Telescope on the Moon’s Far Side Lunar regolith has been found to be very sharp-edged, mainly because it hasn’t undergone the same kind of erosive processes that soil on Earth has. The mudporch would be nothing more than a grated metal platform, through which any loosened dust would fall to the surface below (and it would fall through the vacuum like a rock, not linger in the air like dust on Earth). It doesn’t matter how long it takes for symptoms to develop. Whether you agree or disagree is not even clear, since you make no statement at all. Anyone who grew up with the Apollo moon launches in the 1970s, along with the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" (which premiered in 1968), was left with the impression that there would be colonies on the moon any day now. Posted by. However, once in deep space – on the way to the Moon or Mars, for example – the dangers of lethal doses of radiation become an increasing worry and … “Is” or “may be” ? The lunar meteorites I’m in possession of didn’t come with a warning to “store in lead box”. Asbestos fibers are cancerogenous for the exact same reason these dusts can be whatever their chemical makeup. Jupiter is a planet, so the rubble between Mars and Jupiter is called …. Now the MOON causes cancer, says so-called “scientists” (and guess who’s paying for them). Well, moon dust fails on all three counts, although there is a potential for it. Are you now going to find some other word in the Wikipedia copy-and-paste which you imagine to invalidate my point? Do you expect me to be impressed with that? From the Moon's soil, we would obtain various elements. How would we survive? You would also be able to see Earth go through phases, just like you saw the Moon do from Earth! Within their research the team, which included physiologists, pharmacologists, radiologists and toxicologists from 5 countries, investigated some of the following potential health hazards of lunar dust: Inhalation. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. The disease that would be caused by inhalation of lunar dust is similar to Silicosis. Facts are not present in the pyramid you refer to. I’m not at all confused with the difference between a theory and a hypothesis as many people are. But as it does so, the wind does not flow evenly into the bottoms of the deep craters at the poles. After all, you're not orbiting the sun anymore; you're orbiting a much closer object that has a much larger impact on the physical conditions of your world. To protect against lunar dust, Dorit Donoviel, the director of NASA’s Translational Research Institute for Space Health, said that any future lunar habitat would need filters and a strong airflow so that the astronauts would not breathe in the sharp silica. This is not a toxic property either. Oh, I see. Why do it at all? Static charges must be dealt with by proper grounding or exposure to a mild alpha particle bombardment(?). You can contract the rhino virus and be sick immediately. You come in the airlock, pressurise, blast the nooks and cranies with an air jet, then hose everything down. Instead, the institute’s computer model shows its low-mass electrons easily flowing over the jagged edges of the craters and into their bottoms, creating a negatively charged cloud. The Cost of Living on the Moon. They specifically discuss how it has chemical properties that Unlike a scientific paper submitted for journal publication, Universe Today IS a blog and as such demands a gripping headline, lest it be passed over by the unwashed (if not the washed) masses. Lunar soil particles are sometimes even coated in a glassy shell, the result of rock vaporization by meteorite impacts. To quote from the wikipedia article on Asbestos: the “toxicity of fibrous materials ([Asbestos]) is not initiated by chemical effects”, but rather from “Mechanical Damage” and “Unwanted Signal channels”. Because the moon lacks an atmosphere, the strikes are hard and fast, posing a serious hazard for future astronauts. No, you’re incorrect. could “interfere with biological processes” — i.e., the likely presence With more countries establishing their own space programmes, and an increasing number of private companies entering the field, i… We could try living on the moon... but it might not be a good idea. See no ads on this site, see our videos early, special bonus material, and much more. r/EliteDangerous: The official unofficial subreddit for Elite Dangerous, we even have devs lurking the sub! I’m not sure a gas jet would be better than water so let’s do both. I am happy with this.”. Given that it's now more than 30 years later and there's been no significant progress, it's safe to assume there won't be a moon colony any time soon. No mention of hypothesis vs theory in there. Watch more: Does It Rain Diamonds On Saturn? Note that other, long term effects of asbestos exposure, such as cancer, are not relevant. At the same time, the danger of irradiating space crews could be avoided by properly making the shell of the spacecraft. I assumed people would understand that the mud porch would be inside a pressurised airlock. Great. High Tides ... An abiotic factor is a non-living part of an ecosystem that shapes its environment. Lovell discussed the bold decision to send Apollo 8 to the Moon in December, 1968, only three months after Apollo 7 had circled the Earth. Whether lunar dust makes its way into the eye via airborne movement (again, much more of a concern in microgravity) or through direct contact from fingers or another dust-coated object, the result is the same: danger of abrasion. Essential Needs If we were to colonize the moon, we would need our basic requirements of materials. However, living on Saturn is not as glitzy and glamorous as it may seem. Moon receives more harmful UV radiation then Earth does. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts! Extreme cold in the winter and extreme heat in the summer are the rule at Craters of the Moon. Asbestos does not “directly make you sick”, It takes 15 to 20 years from asbestos inhalation to lung cancer. Firstly, IVAN only quoted Wikipedia. If, of course, my wife is actually observed to be in bed with multiple men, and not just the original one we initially encountered, then the theory needs more work. Run electric current thru the webbing or via a ground plane mounted on the habitat porch? Before too long, the astronauts couldn't help but breathe in the stuff, and Schmitt later complained of congestion and a kind of "lunar hay fever." Still, the research is a step in the right direction as it looks to ensure a safe environment for future explorers on the Moon, our familiar — yet still alien — satellite world. These folks just want to discuss ideas with friendly debate about what is or isn’t viable. 1. Shake the rest off in a low pressure ante chamber with ultra sound while standing in a stream of air. Hahaha. For starters, these particles are sharp. The biological response to physical damage from particulates can be complicated. Asbestosis, a disease you directly contract from asbestos exposure, is what makes asbestos toxic. As our closest neighbor in space, a time-capsule of planetary evolution and the only world outside of Earth that humans have stepped foot on, the Moon is an obvious and ever-present location for future exploration by humans. Turns out that simply using ultrasonics snaps carbon nanotubes down in size, despite such nanotubes being ~ 100 times stronger than steel at that size. But the only times humans have visited the Moon were during quick, dusty jaunts on its surface, lasting only 2-3 days each before departing. Researchers have revealed that lunar dust is far more dangerous than previously thought. Light is fast. scratched lenses, solar panels etc). “Since 2010, NASA has been testing out the effects of what living in space can do to the human body, to prepare them for the journey to Mars, and also for living there” 9. Let’s not forget that a toxic substance is harmful due to either chemical or poisonous means. It seems you’re starting to understand at last! A final cleaning using ultrasound after the suit is off could be done while the suit goes through a thorough inspection and any necessary repairs are done. and what happened to the piece of scalp lost to the dark witches (CROWS) ?……, Wikipedia has it that then NASA manager Abe Silverstein, thought that the image of “Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program.”. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=34093. The samples returned by the Apollo missions have not been kept in a true lunar-like environment — being removed from exposure to radiation and not stored in a vacuum, for instance — and as such may not accurately exhibit the properties of actual dust as it would be encountered on the Moon. The habitat would also need to be equipped with lights to help counter the effects of sleep deprivation. As you can see, your short example has led to a good case study in how science works, and should serve to show you that you are utterly ignorant of the subject matter you deem yourself capable of debating with me. But its lack of an atmosphere adds to or exa… There are generally three types of toxic entities; chemical, biological, and physical: Physical toxicants are substances that, due to their physical nature, interfere with biological processes. These test predicted observations, and should result in some more repeatable observations. Despite NASA’s successful Apollo landings, humans have spent very little time on the moon. One possible way to avoid the dust problem is to setup shop where there is little or no dust. The surface of Uranus' moon Miranda (seen here) is pocked with craters, but humans might be able to find a way to settle it. Now that's a Moon I'd have no problem living on. Living on the Moon would be expensive. We can't be so sure that, the moon will provides us our demands. Long term exposure would be toxic and death would be a race to toxic death or a massive allergic reaction. 4. So, according to you, if you find your wife in bed with another man, it will “NEVER EVER WILL CONFIRM a fact” that she’s having an affair, eh? This is really scary. The moon’s tidal force has a much greater effect on the surface of the ocean, of course. Water runoff filtered and reused, of course. No-one can’t say I haven’t tried. Snow is common in winter and lightning can be a danger on the exposed lava fields in spring and summer. Schultz's drawing "Pole Colony" depicts greenhouses and solar panels on the surface of the moon. Life on the moon would be very different for explorers than life on Earth. All my references agree with Wikipedia, but not with you. The results confirmed that any astronauts beyond Earth’s protective atmosphere and magnetic field would receive a hefty dose of radiation — one that is more than 200 times higher than levels on Earth. Externally mounted excursion suits attached to a rover OR excursion suites attached to a habitat will still need to be brought inside for inspection and/or repair. The solution doesn’t seem all that difficult. Light moved at C. Those are facts. See what it living on the moon would be like in this Space.com infographic. Theories, such as the Theory of Relativity, are at the highest level of importance. But I guess some people are wilfully ignorant. For our eventual return to the Moon, we will have to commit ourselves to some sort of dust mitigation. First you whinge on about Moon dust being “non Toxic”, then when proven wrong you say ” If it’s true that moon dust interferes with oxygen absorption, then lunar dust is toxic. that will do damage to tissues and then present more surface for the Mitigations will include active dust transport by electrodynamical means already proposed for landers and habitats, atmosphere and water handling, and monitoring crew health. Close. Even though lunar explorers would be wearing protective gear, suit-bound dust can easily make its way back into living and working areas — as Apollo astronauts quickly discovered. You seem to have too many references against Wikipedia in your comments. It’s therefore a valueless post. Instead rock will be dug out, the ore poor rock will be discarded back on the moon as slag (no mass loss), and the ore will be processed (slight mass loss). Since these dust particles interact so much with cells, I would think some sort of inorganic or organic cellular technology would be the ultimate dust buster. If you think my statement is ridiculous, it’s because you have previously held beliefs, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value. Good point about the water recirculation filters. Corrections: An earlier version of this post said the moon was 1,000 miles wide. If living on the moon’s surface for a sustained period is necessary, some experts have proposed covering shelters in a thick layer of water, because hydrogen works as a shield. Of particular note by the research team is abrasive damage to the outer layer of skin at sites of “anatomical prominence”, i.e., fingers, knuckles, elbows, knees, etc. He made no actual comment of his own. 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